The Porsche 991.2 - THERE IS NO GOD

"K-Roll-PorscheTamer" (k-roll390) 09/29/2014 at 12:25 • Filed to: The End of Days

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This is all speculative, but all the leaked images such are leading most Porsche sites and forums to give reason to believe that the next generation of the 991 will have turbocharging on the base Carrera with a lower displacement motor...

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IT'S BAD ENOUGH THAT I CAN'T SEE THE DAMN ENGINE IN THE REAR, NOW YOU WANT TO PUT FORCED SHIT IN THE BACK???

Forced induction, you've gone too fucking far this time...

If this is indeed true, What will happen to the 911 Turbo?? The only 911 that should have a damn turbo!!

If this is the future of Porsche, I've got nothing to live for anymore. There's no hope for humanity, there's no hope for the future, there is no fucking god.

On with your day Oppo

mcseanerson > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 09/29/2014 at 12:26

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Now you know how I feel about the C7 Z06 and at least your is properly engineered turbo system and not just a supercharger strapped on because it was easy.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > mcseanerson 09/29/2014 at 12:28

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FUCK PROPERLY ENGINEERED TURBO SHIT!! I don't understand the problem with the Zo6 though, I thought the supercharging was the 'Murican thing to do right? Like the Hellcat twins?

Brian Silvestro > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 09/29/2014 at 12:28

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All you have to do is get the one in your garage road worthy and everything will be okay.

ADabOfOppo; Gone Plaid (Instructables Can Be Confusable) > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 09/29/2014 at 12:28

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The 911 Turbo will now be NA, though they will keep the name and badge on the car.

For Sweden > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 09/29/2014 at 12:28

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Every 911 is a 911 Turbo!

Manuél Ferrari > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 09/29/2014 at 12:28

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I've been telling you and Brian that this would happen for a while now!!!

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Brian Silvestro 09/29/2014 at 12:28

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No, it won't be enough, it never will be enough...I have to kill Porsche..

Sweet Trav > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 09/29/2014 at 12:29

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First props for the Coming to America gif. second, what you're saying is Porsche is now essentially making a beetle with a WRX STi engine.

mcseanerson > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 09/29/2014 at 12:29

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Just because I like MURICA doesn't mean I like superchargers. NOREPLACEMENTFORDISPLACEMENT, that's MURICA. I'll take a 427 smallblock over the base motor that had a supercharger tossed at it any day.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Manuél Ferrari 09/29/2014 at 12:29

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I have to KILL Porsche now.

PS9 > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 09/29/2014 at 12:29

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Hehe...if you think this is bad, wait 'til the base 991 comes with a turbocharged FLAT FOUR. With everyone going to lower displacement and NA performance being hanged out to dry, mark my words KRoll, it will happen.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > ADabOfOppo; Gone Plaid (Instructables Can Be Confusable) 09/29/2014 at 12:30

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How the fuck does that even work??

EL_ULY > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 09/29/2014 at 12:30

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lol. This should boost C7 sales even more (no pun intended)

Stef Schrader > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 09/29/2014 at 12:30

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Ugh, it seems like everyone's going this route, but I agree: non-Turbos should not be turbo'd, even to meet emissions regulations. The Turbo should want to kill you in your sleep, so no downgrading the powerplant there, either.

Manuél Ferrari > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 09/29/2014 at 12:30

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I just hope the Carrera S retains the N/A 3.8L. As long as that happens I'm fine because I didn't like the 991.1 3.4L Carrera anyways. It was a step back from the 997.2 3.6L Carrera.

PS9 > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 09/29/2014 at 12:31

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Problem with the Zo6 is the same problem with the new M cars; they used to be about all out NA performance. Now...they aren't. We could have just bought turbo kits and what not for the base car if that's what we wanted... :(

Brian Silvestro > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 09/29/2014 at 12:33

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I really need a new GT3.

Your boy, BJR > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 09/29/2014 at 12:33

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Killing a german car that is the darling of enthusiasts everywhere?

I'm your huckleberry. That's just my game. *spits on oil stain left by 2002*

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > EL_ULY 09/29/2014 at 12:33

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I'LL KILL THE C7 TOO ALONG WITH PORSCHE!!

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > PS9 09/29/2014 at 12:34

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:'(

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > mcseanerson 09/29/2014 at 12:35

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THAT'S HOW WE DO IT!!! GIMIE MY 4.0L FLAT 6 GT3!!

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Manuél Ferrari 09/29/2014 at 12:35

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You know that won't happen..

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > PS9 09/29/2014 at 12:36

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Mark my words, I'll fucking kill Porsche, and you'll be next...

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Stef Schrader 09/29/2014 at 12:37

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Now I'm conflicted on whether I want the Turbo to kill me, or if I want to kill Porsche; this is unforgivable.

PS9 > EL_ULY 09/29/2014 at 12:37

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Thats as delightful as it is depressing.

RazoE > PS9 09/29/2014 at 12:37

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"Boo hoo, This surge of incrediblepower and glorious sounds of wastegate opening isn't what I wanted! TORQUE?!? WE DONT NEED NO TORQUE. I want 104 lb/ft at 45,000 rpms!!!! 30 mpg? More like 30 OMG, amirite?"

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Sweet Trav 09/29/2014 at 12:37

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What I'm saying is that this world is coming to absolute shit and I hate it.

mcseanerson > PS9 09/29/2014 at 12:37

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EXACTLY THANK YOU SOMEONE ELSE GETS IT! If I just wanted a supercharged Corvette I would buy the lighter base model and thrown one on my self and saved $10k. Or more accurately I would have gone with twin turbos and made more power and gotten better fuel economy for the same price.

PS9 > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 09/29/2014 at 12:37

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Manuél Ferrari > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 09/29/2014 at 12:38

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Really? the 3.8L will die? :((

mcseanerson > PS9 09/29/2014 at 12:38

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You get all the stars.

ADabOfOppo; Gone Plaid (Instructables Can Be Confusable) > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 09/29/2014 at 12:39

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The 'base' 911 will be turbo-ed, but will not be called the Turbo.

The Turbo will not be turbo-ed, but will still be called Turbo, and will retain the premium over the base turbo-ed but not Turbo.

See, it's perfectly clear.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > PS9 09/29/2014 at 12:39

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I have no choice, this shit is getting outa hand....Wait, I figured it out!! Who's in charge of all this MPG, CO2 emmisions shit??

E30Joe drives a Subaru > PS9 09/29/2014 at 12:39

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N/A power is ALWAYS better than forced induction power. I would rather drive an NA 600HP V8 than a similarly powered SC V8.

I had the pleasure of driving a fairly modified E39 M5 for an extended period of time a week or two ago and it was much more fun than any turbo car with similar power. Very responsive.

f86sabre > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 09/29/2014 at 12:39

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As someone who has two forced induction cars in the garage, one turbo and one supercharged, I'm not seeing the problem.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > ADabOfOppo; Gone Plaid (Instructables Can Be Confusable) 09/29/2014 at 12:39

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It's bullshit!!

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Manuél Ferrari 09/29/2014 at 12:40

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Like you said, everythings gonna get a damn turbo.. -_-

You don't think that a Turbo 3.4L will be the same or even outdo an NA 3.8L? :(

ADabOfOppo; Gone Plaid (Instructables Can Be Confusable) > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 09/29/2014 at 12:41

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Dude, calm down. I'm joking. I don't actually know anything.

CAR_IS_MI > PS9 09/29/2014 at 12:41

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Because economy regulations...

It sucks but is also kinda cool. lower displacement, forced induction vehicles with massive HP and good fuel economy.

I mean sure, it does suck to loose out on so many awesome N/A motors like BMWs with ITBs from the factory. but at the same time, massive power, FI engines with warranties is also pretty cool.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > f86sabre 09/29/2014 at 12:44

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THE ENTIRE 911 RANGE SHOULD NOT BE FULL OF FUCKING TURBOCHARGERS!!! FUCK TURBOCHARGERS AND THE BASTARD WHO CREATED THEM.

The base 911 Carrera and any 911 that isn't a Turbo, shouldn't get a turbo, why? BECAUSE ITS NOT A DAMN TURBO. But alright, put a damn turbo on every car, because that's gonna save the fucking environment and make it better; FUCK THAT!

Naturally Aspirated is better, all 911s that aren't Turbos or GT cars should be NA.

 V8 Rustler > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 09/29/2014 at 12:44

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As long as it is a flat six I see no reason to get mad at Porsche. Good low end torque is always welcomed.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > ADabOfOppo; Gone Plaid (Instructables Can Be Confusable) 09/29/2014 at 12:45

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If this happens then everything I know is a lie, and the future's fucked; this is a big deal!!

Manuél Ferrari > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 09/29/2014 at 12:45

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I didn't check the details to see what the displacement of the base Carrera would be. I had assumed it would be much lower than 3.4L because a turbo 3.4L would kill the 3.8L in the C2S. And customers could tune it to be too close to the power from The Turbo

Future ND Owner > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 09/29/2014 at 12:46

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All cars are going this way (smaller displacement w/ forced induction). From the lowliest econobox to the +$100K sportscar. MPG and emissions do matter; even though it hurts our (the purists) psyches.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer >  V8 Rustler 09/29/2014 at 12:47

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Yes, so it's alright for every 911 to be a 911 Turbo, because that makes damn good sense..

I HAVE ALL THE REASONS TO BE MAD AT PORSCHE!!

You just don't understand.

ADabOfOppo; Gone Plaid (Instructables Can Be Confusable) > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 09/29/2014 at 12:47

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Everything you thought you knew IS a lie. And the future is already fucked.

These are separate issues from Porsche using boost in all their 911 models however.

TheBaron2112 > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 09/29/2014 at 12:48

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"Turbo" is a trim level now. Not an engine characteristic.

Sad, but true.

Save up for a 930 from the mid 80s.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Future ND Owner 09/29/2014 at 12:50

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Fuck everything, fuck emissions the world is going to shit anyways; as a Porsche enthusiast, this is the last straw, final line crossed, apocalypse, end of days, Porsche's unconditional suicide note, the rapture, whatever the hell you wanna call it; I give up. The one thing I hold most dear in my car enthusiastic world will be gone forever.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Manuél Ferrari 09/29/2014 at 12:51

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ARE YOU SEEING THE PROBLEM???

spanfucker retire bitch > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 09/29/2014 at 12:51

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Porsche's engines aren't air-cooled anymore either. How does this make you feel?

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > TheBaron2112 09/29/2014 at 12:52

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I'll by all the 930s, alll the 964, 993, 996 and 997 Turbos I can!! And save them from the future.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > ADabOfOppo; Gone Plaid (Instructables Can Be Confusable) 09/29/2014 at 12:52

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These issues are one and the same to me.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > spanfucker retire bitch 09/29/2014 at 12:55

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That's old news, most of us got over it a long time ago. We didn't like it, but we got used to it; Porsche had completely valid reasons for going to liquid-cooled:

1. Cost savings

2. The ability to use outsourced parts for their engines, as the air-cooled parts were very specific, had to be built in-house and were expensive and time consuming.

With liquid-cooling, engine and car production increased significantly meaning more 911s.

That's perfectly fine, this shit is not.

Manuél Ferrari > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 09/29/2014 at 12:59

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This just proves what I've been saying - the 997.2 generation was ZE BEST water cooled 911 generation ever!

spanfucker retire bitch > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 09/29/2014 at 13:01

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And I'm sure Porsche has completely valid reasons for going Turbocharged as well. If they didn't, they wouldn't. This just strikes me as another Air-cooled to Liquid-cooled instance.

philipilihp > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 09/29/2014 at 13:03

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This looks like a stereo system, not an engine. Which, I guess, is ironic seeing as how a lot of carmakers now use stereos to enhance engine noise.

At the risk of agravating your mood, let's hope Porsche doesn't succumb to that level after the probable decline in noise after adding a turbo to the base.

Does this help?

Stef Schrader > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 09/29/2014 at 13:04

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I've given up on the new lines save for the Cayenne. Too much tech. Not enough Porsche. But I could tow my Porsche with a Porsche, so there's that.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > spanfucker retire bitch 09/29/2014 at 13:19

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They've got no other reason than EPA and NHTSA wanting unreasonable and stupid MPG numbers. this is different and far worse than Air-Liquid.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > philipilihp 09/29/2014 at 13:20

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Well my day has been ruined, yes; but that does help some.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Manuél Ferrari 09/29/2014 at 13:20

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I will never own a Porsche designed after the 997.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Stef Schrader 09/29/2014 at 13:22

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I'd take a Macan personally. Tow my Porsche with a Porsche, and have fun with a Porsche when my Porsche breaks down, on or off the road.

Manuél Ferrari > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 09/29/2014 at 13:23

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We will be 997 buds :D

spanfucker retire bitch > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 09/29/2014 at 13:26

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They've got reasons for weight savings and flatter torque curves. I'd bet money on this being an even better driving vehicle than the outgoing 911. Porsche isn't stupid.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 09/29/2014 at 13:40

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When you can figure out a better way to get more power out of smaller displacement engines that are more efficient to meet strict government regulations, let me know.

Until then, PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD STOP BITCHING ABOUT FORCED INDUCTION.

I don't give two shits about heritage and "Only the 911 Turbo should be turbocharged" Companies have to meet MPG regulations while still catering to an alway pushing crowd of people who constantly want more power. The only proven way to do this right now is forced induction. So until another way is proven reliable and successfully able to do this (which cylinder deactivation isn't yet), you're just gonna have to live with it.

I'm not even going to mention the fact that you drive a turbocharged car.

Blze001 > mcseanerson 09/29/2014 at 13:51

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So... the ZR1 should be rocking at least a 500 if not a 600ci motor?

mcseanerson > Blze001 09/29/2014 at 13:52

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At the end of the day I don't care about the ZR1 because it's not a track car.

Blze001 > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 09/29/2014 at 13:53

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It's a conspiracy man! The government is trying to force us to use more efficient engines so OPEC can't continue to fill the campaign funds for-... uhh... hmm...

f86sabre > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 09/29/2014 at 13:57

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;)

Blze001 > mcseanerson 09/29/2014 at 13:58

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I'm confused: I thought the Z06 was the street bullet and the ZR1 was the track monster...

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 09/29/2014 at 13:58

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Well I don't give to shits about the fact that you don't care or understand; that's your problem, not mine.

Of course you'd be the one person who doesn't understand what that brand means to me above and beyond everything else, and how I feel when something like this happens; or with you and your GM shit. Sure, lets put turbo 4s in everything GM, the Corvette, the Camaro, the SS, no more V8s because MPG regulations; would you truly like that, even if it offered more power? Or are you just a power-whore and that's the only thing that matters. Let's drop in turbos on the Miata and change it to FWD, because safety reasons; it's the same fucking thing. Howabout in the future the 4 cylinder isn't even enough for fuel economy regulations, nor is a 3 cylinder, let's all use V-twin motors from motorcycles because fuck Heritage.

FoST aside, if you don't understand why this disappoints me, you sir can certainly fuck off for all I care.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Blze001 09/29/2014 at 13:59

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SKYNET

mcseanerson > Blze001 09/29/2014 at 14:02

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The Z06 was the track monster and the ZR1 was the hypercar like grand tourer. The Z06 was basically only good on the track where the ZR1 had Magnetic Ride and was heavier and was better on the street but still good on the track. Basically Z06=GT3 and ZR1=GT2, one made more power but you know which one you really wanted.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 09/29/2014 at 14:11

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If the company had to do that, sure, I'd live with it. If it offered more power, awesome! I wouldn't go out and complain about it because I know the company, who's famous for their V8 engines, wouldn't kill them off for any other reason then because the government, who CERTAINLY give ZERO FUCKS about heritage, says they have to because they don't meet their stupidly strict standards.

Yes, me who thinks my 200 horsepower, 6000lb vehicle has enough power, is a total power whore.

I'll repeat it again THE GOVERNMENT DOESN'T CARE ABOUT A CARMAKERS HERITAGE. They've got car companies by the balls with their new CAFE shit, and they must conform or die. Aston Martin for example, every things old and outdated and guess what, their cars aren't meeting government standards. Now they're struggling to stay in the US.

I'm sure Porsche doesn't want to do this, but they HAVE to. And if you can't understand that...

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 09/29/2014 at 14:19

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YOU DON'T THINK I FUCKING KNOW THAT?? I have all the rights to complain about this and you can't do thing about it; I'm allowed to voice(type) my opinion as well.

Fuck CAFE, it's like trying to fight obesity by making shirts in only size small; and it pisses me right the fuck off. If I had a time machine, I'd go back and stop it from ever happening.

So tell me, White Knight, do you care about heritage, or are you just speaking for the government.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 09/29/2014 at 14:28

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Never said you weren't allowed to.

I care about heritage, but there's not shit you can do to stop the government.

I also want a Corvette with a TTV6 in it. But that's my choice.

Now chill the fuck out, go take a drive in your TURBOCHARGED car. And start embracing this fact.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 09/29/2014 at 14:37

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Driving my turbocharged car won't change a damn thing now. And it's not like I had any other fun car to choose, nothing else came to mind at the time; as such, I had no other choice! -_-

maroli > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 09/29/2014 at 14:55

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The original link on total911 specifically says this is a 992, not a 991 facelift. I think it looks like a facelift...

maroli > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 09/29/2014 at 14:55

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The original link on total911 specifically says this is a 992, not a 991 facelift. I think it looks like a facelift...

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > maroli 09/29/2014 at 15:02

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That's why there's a second link designating it as a 991.2, and why I called it the 991.2 instead.

MultiplaOrgasms > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 09/29/2014 at 15:09

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Is it at least aircooled? #coolallthethingswithair

Tohru > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 09/29/2014 at 17:36

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No you don't. The people who already buy Porsches are doing it for you.

Tohru > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 09/29/2014 at 17:40

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I've heard the Boxster and Cayman are going to have a BlueMotion option to help boost Porsche's CAFE ratings... AND that the Boxster's new base engine comes from the Polo.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Tohru 09/29/2014 at 18:05

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PardonMyFlemish16 > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 10/08/2014 at 19:33

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California T has shown me that turbocharging can be OK. Hopefully they keep the GT3 NA, but that will be a tough sell compared to a faster Carrera.

NA is best.... at sea level, on a race track, in a very light car. For literally everything else, objectively at least, turbocharging improves the functionality of an engine appreciably.